Some leaves are dieing. Whats the prob?

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  • #25910

    SweetToothMan29
    Participant

    Well ST29,
    I’m sorry I can’t get to this board EVERY day. Although I try, sometimes the days get long. Eventually I will answer EVERY question. Until it gets so big that I can’t. This is why I truly appreciate the nature of this message board being a community. Where everyone contributes what they can.

    It’s possible you’re underfeeding your plants. Causing leaves to drop pre-maturely. Unless you’ve just got such a dense leaf canopy, everything else is extremely green, and they’re sacrificing older leaves at the end of the cycle…:-)

    #27096

    Kyle Kushman
    Keymaster

    Well ST29,
    I’m sorry I can’t get to this board EVERY day. Although I try, sometimes the days get long. Eventually I will answer EVERY question. Until it gets so big that I can’t. This is why I truly appreciate the nature of this message board being a community. Where everyone contributes what they can.

    It’s possible you’re underfeeding your plants. Causing leaves to drop pre-maturely. Unless you’ve just got such a dense leaf canopy, everything else is extremely green, and they’re sacrificing older leaves at the end of the cycle…:-)

    #27194

    SweetToothMan29
    Participant

    Thanks Kyle. I just said that so you would answer quicker. Lol sorry buddy. I was really starting to get concerned that I might be doing something wrong.

    The canopy is pretty dense. I vegged too long for my limited space. Under feeding meaning nut level too low, or just not getting enough water? When the lights go out, i turn the pumps off. So the girls are being fed 12 hours with the lights on.

    You are helping me out more then you know. I respect you as a grower a lot and defenetly try do be a grower like you. I’ve asked a few questions. I wanted a second opinion, other then my brother. And you’ve answered every one. Thanks again Kyle. Glad you started this site.

    #27192

    Kyle Kushman
    Keymaster

    You’re very welcome ST29. But no more tricks, Ok…;-)
    Since you mentioned the fact that you’re watering for 12 hours each day, I’m wondering if you’re overwatering, in addition to underfeeding?
    Or, if it’s just that you just need to cut back on how much you water?
    If you will describe to me the type of hydroponic system you’re using I can better advise you, It will also help if I know everything you’re putting into your reservoir, and at what strength. Also what are you pH’ing at?…:-)

    #27218

    SweetToothMan29
    Participant

    It’s a drip system. Flows down table to a 20 gal res. Pumps back to plants. 8 plants to a res.
    Here’s what I was running.

    I try to maintain a PH of 5.8 but it’s always between 5.5 and 6.
    Week 1 veg- 2 caps full (about 1 1/2 tsp) of SuperThrive, half strangth of Rapid Start, and 400-500 ppm of Ionic Grow
    Week 2 veg- 4 caps full (about 3 tsp) of SuperThrive, full strength of Rapid Start, 700-850 ppm of Ionic Grow
    Week 3 flower week 1- 4 caps full of SuperThrive, half strength of Rapid Start, Linda’s Bloom 900-1050
    Week 4 flower week 2- 4 caps full of SuperThrive, Cal-Mag half a shot glass, Linda’s Bloom 1000-1200 & Bayer Advanced pesticide half a cup (prevention)
    Week 5 flower week 3- 4 caps full of SuperThrive, 3/4 a shot glass of cal-mag, one scoop of Fox Farms Open Sesame, one scoop of Beastie Bloom,
    And 1250-1450 ppm of Linda’s Bloom
    Week 6 flower week 4- 4 caps full of SuperThrive, 3/4 of a shot glass cal mag, one scoop of Open Sesame, one scoop of Beastie Bloom, 1250-1500ppm of
    Linda’s Bloom
    Week 7 flower week 5- 4 caps full of SuperThrive, 3/4 shot glass cal-mag, one scoop open sesame, one scoop beastie bloom, one scoop Cha-Ching, 1300-1500
    Ppm of Linda’s bloom ( discontinued open sesame in my second tent)
    Week 8 flower week 6- 4 caps SuperThrive, 3/4 shot glass Cal-Mag, 2 scoops of beastie bloom, 1 1/2 scoops of Cha-Ching, 1300-1500ppm Linda’s bloom
    Week 9 flower week 7- 2 caps SuperThrive, 1/2 shot glass Cal-Mag, 2 scoops beastie bloom, 2 scoops Cha-Ching, 900-1100ppm Linda’s bloom
    Week 10 flower week 8- not here yet but I would use the Flush nutrient with fresh water for one day, then water only rest of the week.

    #27233

    Kyle Kushman
    Keymaster

    Well my friend, where to start. You’ve got yourself quite a conglomeration of different nutrients from different manufacturers. Where in the world did you get this crazy recipe? I can tell you one thing is for sure, you’re NOT underfeeding. Do you have any idea of the heavy metal content of all those synthetic nutrients you’re using? Whoever told you to continue feeding at full strength through the 8th week of flowering is the reason for your problems. You should be giving half strength feedings for 1 week, before 10-14 days of flushing with water and enzymes. Week 5 and 6 are your peak nutrient levels for flowering. everything should begin to drop after that.

    Everything you use is chock full of MonoAmoniumPhosphate and DiAmmoniumPhosphate, known as MAP&DAP. That’s where your end of the day headache comes from when you smoke a bunch.

    Those numbers on the package that represent N-P-K are ridiculously high. 30, 40, and 50% is CRAZY. The highest number on anything I use is 5%…
    You could probably use at least 20% less of everything and still be alright.
    Why not switch to ONE nutrient system for both grow and bloom?

    #27235

    SweetToothMan29
    Participant

    It was my first grow. My brother has used all if those and thought it was a good recipe. The reason I was using things from different manufacturers was, my brother was making sure I didnt get things mixed up since they looked so different form each other. That might seem stupid, but he just wanted to make sure i was putting in the right stuff. My brother ordered everything. Just my first grow.
    The plants ARE gorgeous though

    . Thanks for the info Kyle. The recipe is working for me so far. It’s just a few leaves and it’s only under the canopy where it’s real dense. Not saying that I think your imput doesn’t matter. I value your imput more then any grower. So I hope this isn’t a guy hired to answer questions. Im trusting it’s really Kyle.
    If I can figure out how to get pics of my camera on to this IPad, I will send you some of my girls. (Don’t know how to use this IPad very well. Just started using it.)

    I have ordered Humbolt Nuts. Spent a good $500 on everything.
    I’m gonna list everything, and let me know if I’m forgetting anything if you would?
    Grow, bloom, micro, flavorful, sea cal, sea mag, ginormous, hydro honey, proZymE, myco madness, big up powder, humboldt roots, structural integrity, hydro deuce, white widow, Royal flush and thrive alive green.
    Did I miss anything. I dont have Humboldt Humic cause I herd that it’s supplimented from Flavorful and hydro honey. Is that true? And what do u think of Master A & Master B? I’m not really understanding its use. Do you use it with everything I’ve listed on top of using Humboldt Bloom or with out, or how?

    I downloaded the feeding chart of the website. I have everything they have listed to use for hydro, but myco wasnt listed on any feeding charts. Should I use it, or is it supplemented from something else. I don’t use water hat is 0 ppm. I know your supposed to, but I gonna do it anyway. I hear a lot of people don’t seem difference. I’ve also herd that Big Up Powder and Ginormous throw the ppm out of wack. Have you any imput on that?

    Sorry for so many question on one posting. Just wanting clarification on everything I’ve asked about Humboldt Nutrients.

    Thank you soooo much Kyle!

    #27236

    SweetToothMan29
    Participant

    I wasn’t using full strength during week 8 of flower. If you look at it again, I don’t use any nutrients in week 8 of flower. They way I listed my weeks was, Week 8 flower week 6. So I’m saying that it’s week 6 of flower but it’s been growing its 8th week. Im in week 7 right now and week 8 is tomorrow and I’ve dropped it from 1500 to 900. And leaves I saw dropping at week 5 of flower, so it couldn’t be because I was using ful strength. Unless I was using too much of everything. I was following the directions on everything. Except beastie bloomz. Was told to use two scoops during weeks 6&7 .

    Sorry if you had already understood that. You just said don’t use full strength in week 8 of flower, that I should be flushing and I will. The first day of week 8 I use a flushing agent for 24 hours then just water. That’s week 10 flower week 8 .

    Thanks again. Just clarifying for you.

    #27240

    idicamanhere
    Participant

    hi there mate take kyles advice, your feeding regime is toxic. u need to do a little research if this is your first grow go basic and learn from the pros and dont over complicating things good luck

    #27246

    SweetToothMan29
    Participant

    Not my recipe, my brothers. He’s been growing a long time. I can tell anyone, that it deffenetly works. He’s used the same recipe Last run growing his sweet tooth and it tested at 19.71% THC. So I’m not asking if it works. I know it does. Just want to try something better. And I do plan to use a line of nuts. That’s what I have already wrote. Humboldt.

    Everyone has a different opinion bout a way to grow. I did look at everything and don’t see the problem. What do you guys think should have been changed? I had planed on doing basically the same thing in one tent cause it’s cheep. Although I would use Linda’s grow and bloom instead of just bloom. I honestly don’t know why my brother had me use Ionic grow, other then it being one nutrient opposed to 2 (grow a and grow b).

    So Linda’s grow and bloom,GH calimagic (cal-mag), GH Rapid Start, SuperThrive (puts plant into a turbocharge) the plants without it are 20% smaller, and fox farms Cha-Ching , beastie bloomz and open sesame. And the beastie bloomz was the only thing I used full strength. 1/2 tsp per gal. I used 1 1/2 to 2 scoops in a 20gal res. and only at week 5 and 6 of flower. Rest of the time I used it was at half strength.

    I can see why people who are only users of one company ,or for the most part one company, say what I’m doing isn’t right cause certain chemical from different companies aren’t ment to be used together. Doesn’t mean it’s a bad thing.

    I do want people to say what I should try instead of something, but even though it’s my first grow doesn’t mean I didn’t do research. I’ve actually consulted with a dispensary in Seattle that grow there own stuff and are won and placed for the Cannabis Cup around here since 2010. They have used the exact recipe for quite a while (except the Ionic grow) and have there strains tested as high as 22%. I know the strain helps, but 22%. Maybe someone who doubts it should try it. Working hella good.
    Thought it was nuts that was doing the leave dieting thing, but two brothers and a few friends of there’s and growers from the grow shop I go to all say it’s the dense canopy. They’ve all seen the plant.

    Don’t need to fix anything I’m doing yet apparently. Everyone seems to be amazed by how good they look.

    I will post pics later and anybody can be the judge if they think I should change anything.

    #27254

    BRAVEHEART
    Participant

    I also agree with Kyle Sweet Tooth, I can tell you, that recipe is not meant for a new grower like yourself. Im not trying to be harsh, just honest so you can learn the right way. I have taught a lot of new cultivators to grow indoor and outdoor all the different styles and techniques, you want to start at a point where you know you will be confident, so you can continue to build your growing skills from that confidence. Ok, Just so you know you are running ebb and flow, not drip to waste, it is totally different techniques and you would need different amounts of nutrients to work properly. It sounds like you are in a area that sells Green air nutrients/ Bio Genesis, Im gonna suggest looking into them and see if they have a recirculating feed chart, this company also uses vegan nutrients as there additives. Ive used House and Garden and GH with great success in hydroponics, but Botanicare just came out with a new Hydro solution called KIND, look into it. But for Ebb and Flow hydro you need to find a company that uses less of those ingredients Kyle is teaching you about and look for recirculating feed charts. Recirculating feed chart is for Ebb and Flow, and Drip to waste feed chart is for a drip system. Peace and Love, take care Sweet Tooth

    #27266

    SweetToothMan29
    Participant

    Sweet Tooth Week 7

    #27267

    SweetToothMan29
    Participant

    Trying to post pic. If its not there, sorry. Don’t know what else to do.

    Sweet Tooth Week 7

    But very good point BH. Thanks for your input. what do you think of Humboldt Nutrients for hydro?

    #27271

    BRAVEHEART
    Participant

    Humboldt nutrients is an excellent line, just make sure to use the correct feeding chart so that your plants in hydro get the proper amount of nutrients. And follow the chart like it says and learn to improve your yields from there. If your water comes up and down a certain amount of times a day from a reservoir that is ebb and flow, and needs a recirculating feed chart. If it drips water on top of the grow media and falls into reservoir to be emptied it is drain to waste.

    #27278

    Kyle Kushman
    Keymaster

    Well Sweet Tooth,
    I’m glad you’re going to drop all the CHEAP Fox Farm garbage. I think you’ll be ery happy with the Humboldt Nutrients line. One tip though, place a circulation pump in the bottom of your reservoir. There are a lot of undisolved solids in many of their products. Neglecting to continually stir the mixture will change the strength…
    Great Stuff from Braveheart…:-)

    #27296

    SweetToothMan29
    Participant

    I do actuall plan to get a pump for running HN. It’s is a recirculating system. Your right BH. When I said drip system, just had a brain fart and justo said drip system. Asking questions about nutrients, I know how important it is to let people know exactly what I’m running to get proper input. Thanks guys for all the help.

    I counted everything from Humboldt that I got, and it’s 16 things. Plants should be taken care of with that table. Only running one of four tables with Humboldt and the rest with GH.

    So Kyle, you don’t even think I should use them at all? Fox farms? If you say no, what should I use to substitute those?

    I’m getting general hydro grow, bloom, micro, floralicious, Cali-magic and rapid start. Then I would have used SuperThrive and all three of those fox farms.

    What should I use and what shouldn’t I use? You too BH.

    Thanks!

    #27297

    SweetToothMan29
    Participant

    Carbs, root inoculate, micro and macros, and something that will work with all of the for plant over all strength. Just name some thing that all would work with GH.

    Stuff that you would use. Not worried about growing with only organics. If something works better then another thing, list it.

    Thanks again!

    #27306

    SweetToothMan29
    Participant

    Test?!?!

    #27309

    BRAVEHEART
    Participant

    Now your talking SweetT, no worries about the brain fart, the team knows I do that every once in awhile to, and that’s why were all here helping each other and were lucky to have Kaptain Kushman looking over us to guide us. I like where your headed tho, Im gonna suggest you follow the GH advanced recirculating chart, if you do not have a ppm meter and don’t know the ppm in your water, use a few ML less on each nutrient than it suggests and work your way up from there, watching for signs of nutrient burn or stress. Start a hydro forum so it can better help others find info on that faster, and we will help you, but you have to promise us you will work your way into Veganics ~~~;-D Once you try Veganics you will never look back, Team Kushman

    #27318

    idicamanhere
    Participant

    what you want to do with the FOX FARM HA HA nutes is pour them stright down the drain then your grow will automatically be better just by not adding that absolute CRAP in to your precious plants but yes humbolt are great nutes and with the veganics crew pointing you in the right direction you cant go wrong good luck and happy growing

    #27334

    SweetToothMan29
    Participant

    Yep, that’s what I’m doing. I also have to use something cheaper for my other res. I have 4 20 gal res, so i can’t afford to use Humboldt on them all.

    So I plant to use GH for the rest. Grow, bloom, micro, rapid-start, Cali-magic, liquid koolbloom and floralitious plus. Maybe not even use floralitious.

    Can anyone suggest something that adds aroma and resin? That’s what I was using FoxFarms Cha-Ching for.

    I think Beastie Bloomz (FoxFarms) is similar to GH liquid KoolBloom. Does anyone agree or should I use something else for building weight and a hardener?

    Thanks peeps!

    Can’t get pics up. Going harvest 16 girls in three days then 4 days after that, 15 girls. These next couple weeks are gonna busy! Hell yea! Excited!

    #27335

    BRAVEHEART
    Participant

    Sweet T, little by little your getting it brother. I feel like your still trying to substitute products on that feed chart, Do not use any of the fox farm products. Just stick to the GH plan for now, and do not drop the floralicious plus, it is the veganic organic bloom booster that will add the natural oils and aromas. I do know that it says to use the dry kool bloom at the end, but I would look for a more food grade nutrient for your final product, maybe MOAB. Make sure to do a really good flush when using these products. In my honest whole hearted opinion though my friend, I would not call this medicine. It is everyones own personal preference though. Im helping you, but I would never light a joint if it was grown using these nutrients. Take my advice, Im sincere but you have to try Veganics as soon as you can. I have learned from Kyle that there is no price in growing quality true medicine that is true in its form calling it medicine. And honestly to the numbers my friend, cost isn’t extremely more. Would you take steroids and ruin your body and become a freak? One love SWEET T, just food for thought.

    #27388

    Kyle Kushman
    Keymaster

    Sorry I’ve been away so long. But I’m BAAAAAACK….
    You’re getting great advice from Braveheart and I suggest you follow it.
    Stick to the feed chart for the nute system you decide to go with.
    And definitely pour that Foxfarm CRAP in the toilet…:-)

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