PROPAGATION- Cloning (Cuts, Slips)101

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  • #25838

    BRAVEHEART
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    What is everyone’s preffered method of cloning? What solutions and hormones do you use for your preffered method? I have tried them all and I always return to the humidome process of creating roots. I’m very passionate about cloning and would love to hear from all you other ROOT FREAKS out there~~~;-D

    #26114

    VeganicsEB
    Participant

    Through my many years of cultivation I’ve also tried just about every method of cloning from ez-cloner to the basic humidome process. Using a humidome has been also my most successful approach to cloning. I keep about a 95% success with that route.

    I’m using Rock wool, Olivia’s Cloning Solution, and this amazing product Dip and Grow. Dip and Grow’s product has some sort of alcohol base that actually soaks into the stem of the clone. Dip and Grow is good for about 2 uses and then you must throw it away!!! Depending on what kind of deal your local hydro store has going on you should be able to get it around 7 to 10 bucks.

    1. Soaking my rock wool in ph’d water with Olivia’s cloning solution for about 24 hours.
    – I let them soak in about 75 to 77 degree water
    – Also when using rock wool you have to over-correct your PH level. Rock wool will actually Raise your PH levels so you want to make sure that your final ph level is 5.5
    2. Get healthy cuts off of the mother.
    3. Clean up the clone
    – I try keeping around 3 to 4 nodes (including a node that I will slice through at a 45 degree angle later on)
    – cut the tips of the fan leaves. ( This will actually help the leave hold moisture and not wilt as bad. There are some sprays you can purchase like No Wilt that can do the same thing but I prefer the natural route and saving money)
    4. I make my 45 degree cut on the node
    5. Soak the cut in Dip and Grow and allow the solution to soak into the stem.
    6. I take the cut and slide it into the rockwool with a slight angle.
    – Putting the cut into rock wool at an angle will provide more area underneath the cube to promote better rooth Growth.
    7. Mist clones with Ph’d water and put the Humidome on.
    – I spray my clones on a daily basis as well.

    After that I basically run an 18/6 light schedule. I keep my light about 2 feet away for the first day or so and slowly lower the light closer to the clones at about 4inches per day. I also like taking the dome off twice a day to allow fresh air to be inside. After day three I begin letting my clones get more air and start lowering my humidity.

    #26118

    Captain Snips
    Participant

    I rock Olivia’s (of course) as well as a combo of the Supernatural root powder ( the stuff that looks like cocaine for smurfs) and some gel (clonex or something simmilar). Make sure I make the cut under some Olivia’s at a 45 degree angle, dip in gel and then powder and slam it in a coco plug and place it under the dome. Spray it with some Olivias and I got roots in 7-10 days! I get basically 95%+ success rate using this method. I have used cloning machines in the past but for me they dont work as well as the OG dome method. Old Skool FTW!

    #26119

    Captain Snips
    Participant

    Also I do buy the little packets of gel ( enough for about 50 cuts) instead of the bigger jars, so that the hormones and other goodies stay fresh. You have to buy the gel more often but I feel its worth it.

    #26121

    Kyle Kushman
    Keymaster

    Absolutely right Captain. I’ve used Dip-N-Grow exclusively for years now. It’s alcohol based formula causes the hormones to be instatly absorbed within cell walls. But it also evaporates. So I replace my dipping solution approximately every hour, and throw away the bottle after two uses. They’re under $10…:-)

    #26139

    Momma Kush
    Participant

    I’m a newbie and only on my 2nd grow attempt so when I have cuttings I put them in the dip-n-grow then into waiting rapid rooters with a dome and heating pad underneath….once I learned not to take cutting with scissors my success rate went way up, LOL, I have 2 now from 2 different plants both taken the same day and one is flourishing while the other doesn’t look too good… I keep it as simple as I can because all this is new to me, I have a BROWN thumb, just ask my husband LOL, plus I’m older now and in pain alot …..

    #26140

    Kyle Kushman
    Keymaster

    Delicate handling of the cuts, and the final cut being madewith a sharp blade or scalpel is key to high success rates. Prepare the Dip-N-Grow at 10x strength as indicated on the provided measuring cup. Remove all leaves except the last full set. The tips should be cut from all remaining leaves to reduce their surface area by 25-50% depending how large they are. This wound will slow the plant from drying out before it can push out roots.

    Note how I leave nodes close to the top of the plant, but remove their leaves. These will become branches quickly, increasing your early growth rate.

    Take the cutting one or two nodes longer than you need. Trim all lower vegetation and foliage. then place the cutting into a cup of prepared cloning solution. I like to take 3-5 cuts at a time before proceeding. Then on a clean cutttin area carefully lay down each cut. Now make the final cut on a sharp diagonal, preferably directly through a node if possible.

    Then into the dip-n-gro for 15-30 seconds. I like to make a fresh hole in the plug or cube with a toothpick. If you make it on a diagonal as well you’ll be able to stick the cutting deeper without fear of hitting the bottom.

    Good luck…:-)
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    #26116

    Momma Kush
    Participant

    WOW!! Thanks for all the great info Kyle! Yeah, getting a new sheetrock knife & blade definitely increased my success rate, LOL,

    #26155

    Kyle Kushman
    Keymaster

    I really like the disposable scalpels they sell at grow shops now. A little more than a buck a piece if you buy a box…:-)

    #26200

    Momma Kush
    Participant

    I topped my 3 seedlings yesterday using these tips but I didn’t see the one about putting the cutting in at a 45 deg angle…very interesting!

    #26205

    Kyle Kushman
    Keymaster

    Increasing the amount of surface area of the cutting in contact with the media increases propagation rates. Here’s another one for ya.
    Everyone knows you should use a heating mat under trays of fresh cuttings, and set them to 80-85 degrees depending on the thickness of the material the heat has to travel through. To decrease the time it takes to root you should turn the mat up as high as it goes for 12 hours after every watering. So instead of it taking 2-3 days to come to optimal temperature. You can bring the tray back to optimal temperature sooner, causing rooting to happen quicker. Usually 7-10 days for me…:-)

    #26212

    Momma Kush
    Participant

    😎 another great tip to remember! I have a question about topping my plants, hope this is the right spot to post..
    I topped each one jbut do you think these 3 need to be trimmed more? I’ve been doiin the Kushman Chiropractic method, 🙂 training and minimal cropping to try and get these branches all to similar heights and all ready to flower at the same time.

    So do you think they need to be cut more? these 3 seedlings have been vegin for 4 weeks and are 24-26 in tall already please tell me what you think… I’m hoping to put them into flower soon….


    #26218

    Kyle Kushman
    Keymaster

    They look GREAT!
    Fairly even canopy. Just remove the two larget leaves at the top. This will slow down the main stem and stimulate growth to the secondary branches…:-)

    #26262

    BRAVEHEART
    Participant

    Yea they do look great, we love you Momma Kush~~~;-D Momma Kush start your own personal forum called Momma Kush so u can keep us up to date and we can all watch over you, YOUR HOME ~~~;-D. I have a cloning process that I have taught and used for years, I’ll share it with you all soon ~~~;-D

    #26275

    Kyle Kushman
    Keymaster

    Welcome to the KUSHMAN FAMILY…:-)

    #26280

    Momma Kush
    Participant

    WOW, Thanks, Guys! I’m smiling BIG TIME and typing through my tears!! I’m so excited, this will be awesome, THANK YOU Kyle and Braveheart!!

    #26306

    Kyle Kushman
    Keymaster

    Awwww, I’m all Vaklempt myself…:-)

    #26997

    GreenDream
    Participant

    I’ve been using this method with good success. 10-14 days to root. Large jiffy pucks soaked in water with a small amount of grow for an hour. Make a hole into the puck. Place cut in and press around to seal. Place pucks in perlite. 5-7 days latter water in some root excel and a few days latter I start to see roots. I also keep them well misted and run a heat mat. Easy breezy! Would like to get them rooted in 5-8 days. Going to try some other methods. Left them in for a week longer than usual and really pulled some roots!
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    #27004

    Momma Kush
    Participant

    WOW Greendream, that looks awesome, talk about roots!! I want to try that some time….looks like you have major roots poppin out there!! Can I ask…why do you set them on perlite, is it to keep moisture in and around the pucks? either way, good job dude!!

    #27055

    Kyle Kushman
    Keymaster

    VERY PRETTY…:-)

    #27087

    cultivator
    Participant

    Mama I think they’re gonna be big.

    #27126

    Kyle Kushman
    Keymaster

    Whoa BABY…:-)

    #27675

    GreenDream
    Participant

    Yeah I really like perlite. It protects the roots and gives them something to grow into. Kind of like a shield from the light. It does hold in the moisture pretty well also and still provides good oxygen to the root zone. Another plus is you can just role that perlite into you next grow medium after your done rooting. Those ones got some cal mag and grow because I kept them in all that extra time. You know it’s time to transplant when your clones are on a feeding schedule. Haha.

    #27681

    BRAVEHEART
    Participant

    HAHA LOL ~~~;-D

    #27692

    kloneking
    Participant

    is that a watering tube in there Kyle?? or are you pumping air into the tray??

    #27695

    siccmade
    Participant

    i made an aero cloner, i choose a branch, cut make a 45 degree slice, soak in clonex gel for 15 minutes, is held in place with puck, then in about 10 days theres mad roots and i plant in solo cups, 100 % success rate everytime, i have a submersible heater to keep my water temps good, no dome needed, ill post pics. taking clones tonight, chemdawg, blue dream (shhh dont tell her but shes number 2 to strawberry cough, but i dont have one to grow. yet!), bubbas kush, maybe blueberry.

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    #27698

    Momma Kush
    Participant

    Here are a 2 pictures showing the damage on my newest seedlings…how old do they have to be before I can spray them with the Neem oil recipe? I’m not sure you can tell in the photo but they all have 3 or 4 sets of leaves by now so I’m hoping they are old enough…FYI- EVERYONE – look for bugs in your lights, I found one hiding in there yesterday, LOL, thats how they managed to survive my spraying they were hiding in the light fixture so ck there!

    #27706

    GreenDream
    Participant

    Hey BraveHeart, I thought you going to share you method. I remember bits and pieces from last time you told me. Need a refresher class without the loud music in the background.

    #27707

    BRAVEHEART
    Participant

    Here is the Real Deal BraveHeart Team Kushman Instruction sheet I use for my cloning classes,

    Materials: One gallon of purified or distilled water, one clean spray bottle, one mason jar with wide mouth, one 6×6 2” deep container or rubber maid (second cutting tray), sharpest sterilized scissors and razor blade or scalpel, coco plugs, tray and humidome, Olivia’s cloning solution, cloning gel or rooting powder, heat mat, and sterilized clean nail.

    1. Before I begin taking clones I like to get all my tools ready and set up next to me by my dome. I’m preparing for plant surgery.

    2. There are sprays and solutions that can help the cloning process. My favorite cloning solution for soaking your media is Oliva’s. Simply mix ¾ cup Olivia’s to one gallon of water.

    3. After adding Olivia’s to the water, then P.H. it to between 6.0- 6.3. Shake well. Put some of the water in the mason jar, in the 6×6 2” deep container or rubber maid (second cutting tray) as well as in the spray bottle. Soak your coco plugs with this water as well, and give them a gentle squeeze while leaving some moisture.

    4. There are already holes in the coco plugs for the cutting to go into, but I prefer to make my own hole in the plug using a sterilized nail or toothpick, 1 ¼” deep. But not protruding or touching the bottom. It makes for a nice and snug fit. Repeat this step on all the coco plugs you will be using. TIP: take twice as many cuts as you need to plant just in case some don’t root. Also, you can choose to plant the most vigorous ones.

    5. Now take your sharp sterilized scissors and cut 45 degrees on the stem right above where you see new growth and put the cutting in the mason jar. Repeat this for about 4-5 cuttings (what the wide mouth mason jar will hold).

    6. Take this first cutting from the mason jar and place it in the second container. Make sure only the stem is submerged in the water and use your scalpel to cut at a 45 degree angle. Doing this underwater to prevent air bubbles(embolisms) from forming.

    7. There are many gels and powders on the market that work well. I like cloning gel the best. After making the cut under water, immediately dip ¼”-1/2” of the stem in the cloning gel or rooting powder (rooting hormones).

    8. Place the cutting in the hole you made in the coco plug. Do this carefully, so you don’t cause unnecessary stress to the cutting.

    9. Cut the tips of the leaves so that the clone focuses on root growth and is not weighted down by heavy leaves. Repeat steps 5-8 until you have taken all the clones you need.

    10. Using the spray bottle, spray the clones over and under the leaves. Make sure that the cuttings are set all the way down in the coco plugs. But not protruding or touching the bottom.

    11. Spray the dome as well and cover. Put the tray under a florescent light or a T5 on low setting. High HID lighting will burn clones. A four foot shop light will work great. Keep the cloning room at 80 degrees.

    12. Lastly, continue to spray clones and the dome every day for two weeks, be gentle and handle with care.

    Happy Cloning Team Kushman – B.H., K.K. Collaboration

    #27710

    BRAVEHEART
    Participant

    Supplies and second cut ~~~:-D
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    #27711

    BRAVEHEART
    Participant

    First cut and inserting clones ~~~:-D Notice where I’m cutting the clone, cut above two baby nodes so your momma plant keeps growing new sets of leaf’s and branches. Pics are in no certain order.
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    #27738

    Momma Kush
    Participant

    great info!! I printed this off so I can have a “cheat sheet” to refer to and remember these tips when I’m with my girls : )

    #27851

    Kyle Kushman
    Keymaster

    GREAT ADVICE from the Braveheart…

    Only thing I have to add is, use strong cuttings. It’s best to take cuttings from vigorous plants and shoots. I only take em from tops, not lower branches.
    also, I like to take slightly larger cuts than most people do. I take a cut from the plant at around 4-5″.
    After cleaning off unnecessary vegetation and making makeing final cut with a blade she’s still 4″ long …:-)

    #28132

    Babypoo
    Participant

    I take a cap full of superthrive put it in about 16 ounces of water, swirl the cutting around for about 20 seconds. Then I dip it in Greenlight rooting hormone (Powder) and have about 99% success rate.

    #28175

    Kyle Kushman
    Keymaster

    I used to dig on Superthrive as well. But know that I know it’s full of synthetically produced growth hormones I no longer use it.
    I too get 99% success using Olivia’s Rooting Solution for my media and Dip-N-Grow as my rooting hormone….:-)

    #28500

    BRAVEHEART
    Participant

    OLIVIA’S ROOTING SOLUTION ROCKS!!!!!

    #28575

    APHND
    Participant

    Ok here’s my method.
    I like to take cuts at least 5″ with at least 2 nodes under the media. I use root riot cubes which they say are inoculated with beneficial microbes. water is ph’d 5.5 – 5.6. leave 2 sets of leaves on top with tips clipped for transpiration. I scrape gently around the nodes and stem area removing the top layer of material and then recut at a 45 degree or more angle. Clonex gel and humidity at 90 percent, heat mat at 77 or 78 degrees and I am golden in 7-12 days. only down side with root riots are they attract fungus gnats big time so every now and then there is a casualty that bites the dust due to larvae. Obviously some strains take longer and require more patience but this works for me best.

    #28597

    BRAVEHEART
    Participant

    Good Info APHND, I love hearing the many different ways of successful cloning, NICE WORK GROWBRO!!!!!

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